On Verbal Aikido/Hari Kiri..
Thursday, March 10, 2005
I love debate. I will play devil's advocate just for the hell of it. I will test my own core values, on a regular basis, through structured argument. The Wonderful, Weird, Web is full of people who want to 'engage in meaningful debate' and recently I have found some really interesting sites that contain diverse points of view and arguments. I have chosen to participate in some of these discussions, which is unusual for me, because the sites have been intelligent and the arguments stimulating.
Then along came Jarrett. The course of events leading up to this can be followed on the site of theworldaccordingtonome.
Then along came Jarrett. The course of events leading up to this can be followed on the site of theworldaccordingtonome.
Now, if you are going to comment, beware. I believe in verbal Aikido, because Aikido is a martial art that 'focuses not on punching or kicking opponents, but rather on using their own energy to gain control of them or to throw them away from you.' So I use your words and argument as a form of redirection. The harder you hit me, the harder it comes back. Hari Kiri is the art of falling on your own sword, (even if it is blunt!) so if you carry a weapon, make sure you know which way it is pointing!
I will therefore go through Jarred's comment point by point, and let's see what happens. Sorry Jarred this is nothing personal, but you were warned:
'Darn it, number 9, you totally took away my favourite saying, and stole part of the mighty thunder I planned upon unleashing via my own blog! '
Are you referring to the Armageddon comment and is that sarcasm or what? Be specific. What are you saying? So somebody stole your thunder?
'that's okay, though. Any decent student of history would realize that big words does not an argument make.'
What big words, where? Words in the right order, that are relevant, make an argument. Note the relevant part. Obviously you are not an English major (see later point) as it is 'do', not 'does'.
' Not only that, but foreign analogies (IE referring to Asian history, a topic foreign to most) only work when they're comparable analogies, which those of Nome are not. '
Asia has the worlds largest population by far, over half of it in FACT. (3,3100 million people). Therefore Asian history is not a foreign topic to most. Most of the world has a vested interest in the history of at least their small piece of Asia. The history of any country apart from your land of birth is a 'foreign' topic. Perhaps Asian history is a topic about which your immediate circle knows little, but I thought you were classing yourself as 'decent student of history', and thus you should know something about Asian history. And by the way Iraq is in Asia, so it is relevant.
The analogies are not relevant because...?
To quote Monty Python, (which does seem relevant here):
'Customer:
Yes, but an argument isn't just contradiction!
Argumentator:
Well, can be.
Customer:
No, an argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
Argumentator:
No, it isn't!
Customer:
Yes, it is! It isn't just contradiction! '
At this stage we still have no argument, only....I reserve judgment.
'My favourite part of her argument, though, is the troll tactics... "I don't care," or "this isn't a place to debate politics" or whatever are quite common, but then she starts spewing out her own rhetoric (perhaps to impress herself) while taking a moral high ground. A supposed shroud of moral superiority emerges, constructed on the basis of faulty reasoning.'
My only comment on this is 'You too can make meaningless diatribes like this by visiting "www.cutandpastepoliticalspeeches.crap"* '
'But hey, we can't point out that she's wrong.'
Is that because she is right, or because you don't have the faculties?
'After all, open discoure is only at her own behest! '
Jarrett, way too much time in the classics, boy, 'behest!' I ask you with tears in my eyes. Oscar Wilde thought that 'behest' was 'behest' left in 1642.
'Typical English major: "Okay, I don't care... you know more than me, you can out-reason me, you seem to have all the facts, but I don't care. That, and I have a life, so I would be right and would prove you right if I were as boring as you, and if I had spent as much time as you did researching. But I have a life. Doesn't matter, because even so, I'm still convinced I'm right." '
As a last resort, or retort, lets just box the individual. When last did you hear this from an English major? Maybe an English minor, or an English miner, but not from an English Major (Is he a soldier in Iraq as well?).! If anyone has ever said this to you, a little pointer, it was said with a large dose of sarcasm and irony.
I can also see how much research you have done, was that at the school of www.learntosayfuckallinathousandormorewords.stpd?*
Jarrett, if you want to participate, participate. Use the research you have done, and quote it.
I do not mean this personally, but remember I use Aikido, the harder you hit, the harder you fall...on your own sword. Get the point?
To see some sensible debate about an alternative point of view to mine visit Brad.
P.S. The two sites marked* are not real, unfortunately, but I think I will actually create them!